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August 12, 2008

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Wayne Hamilton

George:
I've grown accustomed to your plan...
your jotting downs and
laying outs...
So now I see my funny questions
don't affect the process much
and now I must go back into my little rabbit hutch
where I can mull it over some...
and let you do the same...
accustomed to your plannnnnn.

Larry shultz

George, I like how you tie in the structure of our brain with evolution and your postulation that this structure when looked at from a planetary level can allow global sapience. Personaly I think that humans have to tie watersheds, bioregions,geographic provinces,and geological plates into a planetary system of social governence with proper feedback loops similar to the checks and balances of democratic systems.
In order to have sustainable societies we have to know the effects of our actions on all levels including the natural weathering processes. the flux and pulses of energy and elements through ecosytems is what sustains us. If anything is holy it is this.

George Mobus

Wayne you crack me up! See you on the 17th!

George Mobus

Larry,

I absolutely, totally agree. In the not-too-distant-future I will be introducing the notion of a strategic plan for Planet Earth that makes this relationship explicit.

I'm open to suggestions for how to parse the Ecos with humanity as a subset!

George

Larry Shultz

George,
I have had a musing for a long time that the reason we like fractals in nature, art, and music is because of the fractal structure of the brain and its neural interconnections.
For homo sapians political to fully develop I expect that the same nature, art, and music will be part of the answer. Another important development is remote sensing, so now we can see our planetary stock via satelite. Of course the internet as it is like a brain of brains.

We have to pay strong attention to natural ecosystems mineral fluxes and try to lower rather then increase them. When I lived in NH I used to think about the need to measure magnesium fluxes on the Merrimack River. Magnesium and Phosphorus are limiting nutrients in the Sugar Maple Beach Yellow Birch bioregion and as such we have to make sure that no more flows out of the system than is released via the weathering process. All ecosystems have "short barrel staves" we should carefully watch them. Some seminal work in this area took place in the White Mts of NH, see Pattern and Process in a Forested Ecosystems, Likens et al.
Shy, rare, threatend, extirpated, and rare species are also important to have a handle on.
I think sustainable governance will also in some way involve myth as we will always be information limited. I heard Wendell Berry say we should watch out for the forlorn pursuit of the informed decision. We should always try to assmble more information, this is where great questions lead us but not have decision paralysis by analsis. This is where our great cultural signposts of myth and philosophy intersect with the polital decisions of the day.

George Mobus

Hi Larry.

One of the things I want to address in a future post is the self-similarity that occurs in hierarchical control systems. I've actually mentioned this in a prior post on HCS. It turns out that sufficiently complex operations units actually have internal coordination controls as well as a primitive strategic controller. For example, an assembly line has supervisors and a manager that is thinking about what resources the assembly line will need in the future.

Similarly, a strategic management unit (say Marketing) has its own operations processes, mostly paper/computer apps.

In the same way it is easy to see this fractal structure in a complex organism like a human. The brain structure, you mentioned, but at every level of complexity, from cells to whole, you can see the fractal structure of hierarchical control. This is a deep subject!

Cheers

Wayne Hamilton

Actually I like the fractal idea in that it's a popular representation of simple iterative analysis. Perhaps the brain does this too, so that our sensors keep pinging until the echos start to look like...."that's a snake climbing my sleeping tree!"

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