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May 26, 2009

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GaryA

The lunatics are still in charge of the asylum. They are still sitting around trying to polish the turd of consumer capitalism and making a god-awful mess.

Florifulgurator

I guess Obama's plan (phase 1) is to let Geithner, Summers et al. complete the wreckage. Only a real wreckage is proof of a theoretical wreckage, after all. (For Popperians: A theory of a wall ahead cannot be falsified. Instead, it needs to be verified by hitting the wall.)

National bancruptcy and hyperinflation won't be so bad: U.S. will be the new China.

The "backup" plan (or, phase 2) is like you stated: Perhaps people will at the end open their minds to facts and reason. If not, they might at least engage in population reduction (luckily there're enough tools and fools around for that).

Dave

Maybe we're talking about this all wrong.

Maybe we should be celebrating the amazing things that this particular peak in the never-ending wave of human development has given us.

Typically the best things from the highest point of a wave of any given time (like Greek democracy) has been preserved through the valleys of the dark-age periods to be resurrected in new and better forms in the next wave. As we approach this coming dark age, let us reflect on all the amazing things we created during this last peak, like the polio vaccine.

When civilization begins a new ascent in progress, however many centuries from now, they'll have some amazing things to start from. And maybe the decline in civilization over the next century can help to weed out some of the less-sapient elements of humanity.

Let’s start to really celebrate the amazing things we did in this round, and make sure that our accumulated knowledge is properly recorded for posterity through methods that do not require electricity in order to be maintained.

Maybe the next “golden age” of intelligence will recognize the cyclical nature of civilization, and ensure from the start that their peak is sustainable for a longer period of time, and they’re better prepared for their own decline.

George Mobus

Dave,

Somewhere in this (what has become a labyrinth of a) blog space there is post on exactly this idea. We shouldn't bemoan all of our shortcomings as a species. We are what we evolved to be. The real issue is where do we go from here?

In terms of preserving knowledge, I wonder if it is really a matter of preserving documentation per se. How about if we worked to preserve the process whereby veridical knowledge can be generated (e.g. the scientific process) and let future generations, if any, work out the knowledge (again) for themselves. Maybe we should think in terms of a compact code that is like data compression. You expand the code and it gives you instructions for how to uncover the code of the universe already there, built right into the world itself. It's like the old give a man a fish and you feed him; give him a fishing lesson and he can feed himself.

It might be more likely that a compact message, so encoded, would be more likely to be preserved and conserved as the 'dark ages' unwind.

George

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