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June 29, 2009

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Florifulgurator

Hm. "Hierachical control" is a standard technical term. Replacing it perhaps does more harm than good. You might draw more attention from the naive, but then alienate the techni literate...

Perhaps: 1) Add a "tree" to hierarchical. 2) Control = operation, management,...

"Hierachical tree systems operation" ?
ugh...

Sean FitzGerald

I don't pretend to understand this area at all, but I'm reminded of the term 'heterarchy' that I've come across via the P2P Foundation blog - http://tinyurl.com/nurnrk

It may not be exactly what you want, but some of the other resources on the blog might help you out as they seem to cover similar issues.

Neven

I wish I could help with this one, but I have to admit that I haven't read your pieces where hierarchical control systems are mentioned or explained (I also had a knee-jerk reaction when encountering the term in this piece).

You mentioned 'layered decisions systems' yourself. That already sounds much better. Or what about 'distributed decisions systems'? 'Decisions systems' sounds good IMO, replacing the 'control' part. Combine it with a word that replaces hierarchical.

Have a good and safe trip,

Neven

Scott Nesler

I would suggest an alternative to a hierarchical model. A hierarchy model suggest a linear path (root to leaf) and a finite solution. My short essay called, Getting to the root of the problem, provides a little more insight.

http://www.dogoodgauge.org/site/DoGoodGauge/page_contents/display/85

Shortly after posting this article on Global Sensemaking, Robert Beckett pointed me to Buckminster Fuller who describes a geodesic model for connecting disjointed arguments. I would suggest Bucky's geodesic principles and concepts of Synergy as an alternative.

Sudeep Bhaumick

sorry I have been traveling myself and could not respond sooner...

our societies have "evolved" from being based in agriculture to industrial to information to a society based around knowledge...

but as we have now found out knowledge is not good enough what we need is a system based on wisdom / sapience...

Hierarchical Control System does sound rather obtuse and alienating... why not something like...

Sapient Control System...

or any other word that shows the core to be wisdom. after all the emphasis is on wisdom / sapience since information and knowledge don't really work...

in the model suggested by you the core is a collective work of wisdom and by extension a control system based on wisdom...

the hierarchy bit also flows naturally out of the model. if there is a large no. of people to be organized there wold be some hierarchy...

the problem with the word "hierarchy" IMHO is that humans naturally tend to an egalitarian status ironically at the same time society currently only preaches hierarchy... the word has negative connotations...

:) best of luck !

GaryA

Off the top of my head maybe something like 'Sapient directed endosymbiosis' or 'Emergent social endosymbiosis' are we allowed to make new phrases up?!

[Endosymbiosis; the symbiotic union of primitive prokaryotic cells into the more advanced
eukaryotic cell]

George Mobus

Thanks to all for the ideas. It's a knotty problem.

I can't help but agree with Florifulgurator that this is, after all, a technical term that has meaning to many of the people who would be involved in helping design (or at least evaluate) such systems.

At the same time, we need to evoke an image that conveys the fact that just because something is hierarchically structured doesn't automatically make it a top-down, dictatorial system. Were there adequate time I might have set about on an educational mission to get this idea across. But with time running out (and it takes a long time for a paradigm shift to get hold) I feel a need to find some way of communicating the ideas properly and completely without triggering knee-jerk responses.

I'll take some of these ideas into mind and let my subconscious play with it whilst I vacation!

Just got home from the conference in Southern Calif. and am off for more down time. Though I will take my computer in case inspiration strikes!

George

Geoffrey

The real question then is how to address the marketing issue of these ideas, that is the shorten monicker to impress upon others. I'm partial to the term 'synergy' even thought it has been badly abused through the years in the corporate world. I also like the term 'decision systems' as was outlined above, because we as humans like to believe we have complete free will decision making, as opposed to the notion of control which we innately resist.

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