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December 31, 2010

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mikkel

George, how are your community efforts going? There are starting to be several biophysics inspired ecovillages that are popping up that look up your alley. I hope things are well.

Phil Henshaw

Me... I still fail to comprehend why virtually no one seems to understand the concept of science.

When you can't find the answers to the questions you want answered, hey, there's an interesting way to "fill your time". Just turn to casting about for questions that CAN BE. You could treat it sort of as a "warm up exercise", to help get your bearings... before making wild guesses.

What I observe is people making wild guesses first, and then casting about for clear evidence they're wrong, and usually (conveniently) never finding it. I suppose sometimes you have to do that, but why do it to the exclusion of finding questions with real answers?

`barbara

Wise word and I believe an accurate reading of our present status -- barbara

Phil Henshaw

To comment directly on your post, they're good thoughts. I think, though, what we DO have the time, and energy, and money, to do is to learn from the situation... (unlike the survivors of the last many complex human societies that failed to learn from the error, when their world's failed for apparently much the same causes).

So, I don't agree that: "There is nothing anyone can actually do about it!". I think learning is the great doing of all complex systems, and there's a quite substantial victory to be snatched from the jaws of defeat here.

That bit of new insight into it might first appear to be a rather small thing. If it't happens to coincide with rather small thing that prevents growth systems from maturing into stable long-lived ecologies... well, then that might be a rather big thing. There is, however, some real learning to do in discovering that.

In part it involves the difficult step for people of learning how to study the animated heterogeneous processes of nature (i.e. *natural* systems), and differentiate them from our thinking about them. Nature and our conceptualizations are essentially two entirely separate realities, the form and workings of each being so remarkably different.

It's easy with the right questioning attitude and not without it. It's not much more different than learning you have been living in someone else's house. Like the sorcerer's apprentice you need to discover what things are for, rather than just suppose they'll work for whatever you want.

When we do that, accept that nature doesn't revolve around our thinking as people so habitually like to draw it, I think we'll start finding the paths we need.

Robin Datta

"I still fail to comprehend why virtually no one seems to understand the concept of science."

As John Michael Greer has explained over several posts to his blog The Archdruid Report , and in his book The Long Descent, socio-cultural biases affect one's perception.

The myths (religious and cultural stories) told over generations shape our minds. Once set, anything poured into this receptacle takes the shape of our receptacle: be they concepts or empirical facts, they are perceived in accordance with our pre-set biases. This can be corrected when the force of evidence shatters the receptacle: depending on the milieu, it may result in academic acclaim or political revolution.

Florifulgurator

Happy new year!

Hope for progress in the human spirit isn't unfounded. More and more people will necessarily encounter a reality beyond their consumerist egoes and economic myths. (E.g. some Australians will right now start asking about that climate thing. Just like the Russians after last year's fires.)

George Mobus

Mikkel,

I had been pursuing some financial support that fell through. So back to square one for me personally. But, as you say, many such communities are springing up and some of those are likely to be successful. My hopes are with humanity.

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barbara,

Thanks and welcome aboard.

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Phil,

You seem to be expressing optimism that we will be able to solve "the problems" in some fashion. Does this mean that solutions can be found to prevent major calamity to our current population? I'm reasonably sure you don't mean saving business as usual. How do you account for the scales and interconnections between the challenging factors, e.g. declining net energy and climate change. What are the solutions that you believe we can learn?
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Robin,

I wonder too what Phil means by "virtually no one seems to understand the concept of science." Perhaps he can elaborate.

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Flor,

Yes, I agree. But will it then be too late to effectively change?

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George

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