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August 15, 2010

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porge

George,
You will absolutely appreciate this young lady.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M4tdMsg3ts&feature=player_embedded

There is hope for the U of N yet.

Sam

George,
Once again, another excellent post, but let me expound on a few things.

First, as you are well-aware, education today is designed to track students towards certain goals. Education has become more about career preparation and less about learning for learnings sake, hence the emphasis on STEM and the frequent pleas I receive from family and friends not to major in the Humanities. (Good news, I won't!) But it is also a very important socialization tool. Education is supposed to impart values of national identity, and how to behave as a citizen. Look at Benedict Anderson's Imagined Communities, which discusses how the use of unified language and education systems helped to spread national identity in places such as Indonesia. Group work is supposed to help young people learn how to get along with one another--skills that are apparently lacking in many workplaces today. In your vision of the future, education can't be co-opted by whatever entity is in charge for use as a tool to reinforce their power. Everything, including power and social structures, must be questioned. Fortunately a diffuse network of independent learners united in a desire to self-actualize, as in your vision, makes it more difficult to enforce rigid values and hierarchies on learners. But that diffuse network also makes it harder for education to serve as a socializing tool. So something will need to fulfill that vacuum, because for sapience to flourish, cooperation must be emphasized over individualism.

Second, your vision of the future is one where students will be more motivated learners. Yes, those who guide them will be offering how and why-type questions (above all, why is a given bit of knowledge important, what is the relevance of it?) But as you mentioned briefly in one of your pieces on sapience, choice is critically important. And I would argue that a very real problem has to do with the fact that today, young people have more choices than ever as to how to spend their time, and they are being given more leeway than before about how to make those choices on their own. It is much easier for kids to spend their time playing videogames and not learning. As Barry Schwartz notes in his Paradox of Choice, it's extremely difficult for people to manage the plethora of choices available to them. But it becomes easier for kids to make certain choices if other choices (eg. learning seemingly irrelevant STEM material) aren't interesting. Of course, in an energy-limited society, those choices may very well be limited, and so young people will be more willing to ask and explore questions more fundamental to our lives and to human existence than what the next level of a videogame will look like. Nevertheless, the goal of self-actualization is a complex philosophical concept, not one I imagine a seven year-old to fully grasp. For those who are not motivated learners on their own, some means of giving them the big picture in a simplified manner--why learning is relevant--is key.

Third, education suffers from an overuse of metrics, and unfortunately efforts to improve schools (such as No Child Left Behind), and initiatives to make teachers more accountable seem to exacerbate this problem. Standardized tests allow easy comparison across students. Multiple choice tests are easy to grade and they have pretty good predictive validity. And metrics enable students to assess whether they are on the right track, whether they are learning what they 'should' be. But of course, metrics become less and less effective as students improve on the indicator that is being measured (and which serves as a predictor for other variables), but not on those indicators which are not measured. Hence an emphasis on rote memorization for many students and not on self-directed learning questions which may result in less of a boost to one's grade.

Therefore, as metrics become less and less useful, debate tends to swirl around what makes better metrics (that is, what metrics are more precise). However, the use of metrics to compare students to each other, and to predetermined indicators goes unchallenged. That is not to say that metrics are all bad. In areas such as international development, an increased use of metrics has led to greater accountability amongst foreign aid practitioners, reducing fraud and waste and improving aid effectiveness. But if metrics are not needed, or if the wrong thing is being measured, then it can unnecessarily oversimplify an evaluation without looking at the big picture. I haven't been able to find a compelling reason why metrics are a more effective way of monitoring an education system except for the fact that faculty and administrators need them to do their jobs as they've been set up to do.

colinc

Really? Only 2 comments to this article to-date?

Regardless...

Edwards: Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it.

Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat,...
(from http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119654/quotes?qt0997317 )

...and still today a plethora of people believe in some incarnation of the flying-spaghetti-monster, free markets, war based on lies and greed and many, many other egregious fallacies. So, I have to ask, who has "learned" what?

For further consideration (and note the following is a "fair" reflection of most of the people I've known or encountered over the past 40 years)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE&feature=related

The collapse of "everything" has not only started, it is now moving under the weight of its own momentum. The juggernaut has been loosed. We're experiencing a conflagration of conundrums that are, in all reality, but mere symptoms of the "base problem," which I have yet to see ANYONE address. Pity. Maybe some day I'll stumble across a way to care about "mankind" again and elaborate on it myself. But don't hold your breath.

colinc

Ooops!! I forgot to mention...

porge (1st comment), thanks for that link, that "helped" my "affliction" a bit. Not enough, but a bit. :D

George, I tried to post a comment to 1 of your earlier articles using my TypePad login and your site wouldn't accept it!! This time, I just used the "Your Information" (below) and, obviously, voila. Maybe someday I'll email you the copy I saved.

George Mobus

Porge,

Thanks for the link. Indeed there are, thankfully, a number of very intelligent and sapient beings who noticed the faults of the education system!

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Sam,

Thanks for these very insightful comments. To the rest, I shared this idea with Sam via e-mail:

One day I hope to get a post out on a discovery-based, challenge-based approach to pedagogy wherein the students are given a project challenge and some guidance as to what kind of knowledge they will needed to accomplish it. They are then on their own to solve the learning and information finding processes. Evaluation is not done to 'grade' the students but to provide feedback to them on how well they have learned and managed their learning. If they goof up it will probably be early in the project (assuming a well designed challenge) and they are always free to ask for help along the way, so an intervention might get them back on track. Otherwise, if they flunk they just have to do it over, hopefully having learned from their mistakes. I actually use this to a limited degree in my teaching (most students hate it because they are so used to the 'tell me what I need to know for the test' mode) but I have to report final grades so the evaluations are also summative. One day I would like to try it in a pure form, especially on younger students.

Your return comments to me in the follow-up e-mail were equally insightful and if you care to share them with the other readers, I'd encourage you to do so here. I would, but it was a private e-mail so I'm reticent to do it without your permission.

If I ever get things together to start a University of Noesis, I want you on the team!

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Colinc,

Your sentiments are not too different from what drives me to hold out for evolutionary progress for the human brain. Maybe wishful thinking, but I don't believe in giving up without some kind of fight!

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George

porge

George,
I heard that valedictorian in another interview say she will be attending on of the SUNY campuses. She might just end up mentored by Charlie Hall.

I really think that there are a lot more like her out here.

Sam

George invited me to share my follow-up comments that I emailed him with everyone else and I am more than happy to do so.

George,
Your idea of a challenge-based approach to learning sounds very insightful, but at first glance, I have a couple of concerns. It seems to be a project approach that is better suited for fields where information is the most important goal (eg. STEM fields). In many of the Humanities (incl. foreign languages), and some of the social sciences, knowledge and facts are important, but skills are arguably even more important. How do I write or speak cogently? How do I analyze a piece of text, or a public policy for that matter? How can I create and defend an argument? The projects you propose can certainly serve as means of demonstrating knowledge, but the art of communication and of defending one's position are skills that a project-based approach may underemphasize. Classroom discussions can be incredibly productive forums for sharing knowledge if the participants are motivated, and allow those participants to strengthen their ability to verbally communicate. And when learning a language, being mentored by a native speaker who understands tonal and grammatical nuances is key. It's not something which can very easily be learned independently. How would a project-based system incorporate these other forms of knowledge sharing and skill building which may be equally powerful depending on the subject?

The other concern I have is that even as humans evolve, I suspect that a great deal of our learning will continue to take place in early years of development. Early childhood education has been shown by myriad studies to prepare kids for further schooling because of the basic skills and socialization they acquire (see for instance pages 21, 76, 77, and 125 of this lovely document from the RAND Corporation http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2005/RAND_MG341.pdf). And as I'm sure you know, because of how the brain develops, certain bits of knowledge are better learned when young. Language acquisition is the proverbial example here. It's much easier for a three year-old to learn Arabic than it is for myself as a college student. So I don't know whether you could create challenges for three year-olds which would give them a lot of the knowledge that they need a foundation to process. Perhaps as children mature, they can be given more and more independence to pursue learning challenges. However, given that the early years are such a critical period, if they are to be maximized, it may make sense to avoid challenging students to learn independently until they have a baseline of knowledge and skills from which to work from. What would a transition look like between early education and the University of Noesis? And should I even be treating the two as discrete? I don't have a good answer here, but it may be something to contemplate when you do a further writeup.

George Mobus

I want to thank Sam for sharing this. I was impressed with the thoughts he had expressed in the e-mail and thought my readers would benefit from seeing them.

Sam is right about the emphasis of project-based discovery learning being on information acquisition. He contrasts this with humanities and skill learning. What I had in mind, however, isn't for just a single traditional discipline. The focus of my thoughts are on the universal existential questions that all humans ask. And 'projects' need not be just science projects (at least not overtly.

I am enamored with the permaculture approach which is systems science applied to living. Starting very early in life and prompting students to take an active part in raising their own food can be an entry point for exploring why we even need food, how does nature generate it and many other existentially directed questions that the student can explore. Always the emphasis has to be on how any subject is relevant to the individual. I feel this is the most motivational approach. Later as students mature the emphasis can be shifted to more socially relevant subjects as each individual has become comfortable with their own sense of purpose.

I suspect (from my experiences with the Global Honors students) that the habits of exploration, self construction of meaning, etc. will spill into all areas of learning, including those Sam has mentioned. After all, when a student is actively engaged in exploration they are going to come across material/questions that require help from others, from teachers. The ideal teacher is prepared to help the student find meaningful answers as a guide, but not as a dispenser of knowledge.

On Sam's second point, again he is right about early learning. But I would point out that the very phenomenon he mentions (socialization/learning language) is exactly what I am talking about. No one actually 'teaches' children their language, though they certainly guide them when they make mistakes. Children, immersed in a culture/language simply cannot fail to learn. Sam says:

Perhaps as children mature, they can be given more and more independence to pursue learning challenges.

My thought is that they are actually already independent and find all the challenges they need in making sense out of the strange sounds and behaviors of others. Certainly they need guidance. They need to learn the nuances of proper language and proper etiquette etc. But that they seek to learn is part of the human condition.

As far as giving challenges to three year olds, this is exactly how my older son learned arithmetic (OK he was more like four). Whenever we bought something for cash (small stuff) I told him he could keep the change for his piggy bank if he could figure out the amount before the cashier did. This led him to want me to give him problems so he could see how to do this. And, as a result, he started putting a fair amount of money into his bank! Of course not every child is going to learn arithmetic this way (my younger son needed more traditional methods!) but I bet there are many such cases where a teacher finding a suitable way to challenge a young student will result in the student learning fundamentals at an early age.

In this sense, I actually don't see there being a 'transition' from early childhood learning to the University of Noesis. I see every child starting in the University (or think of the University as housing all primary and secondary learning).

The main point is that the key motivation for learning comes from a natural need to know how the world works and what is my place in it. Make that the focus of education and many more human beings will achieve a much higher level of actualization.

George

Adolfo Jurado

George:
I appreciate your efforts to share your wisdom. A U of N is not far from reality, any billionaire can support that conception in one or more places. In education, what is needed, is to go the extra mile, to do our "homework", starting with research universities: they should provide the overall framework (intellectual enterprise)to "allow all the members of society to live in harmony"(as you suggested), leading to the establishment of "Integrated Valleys of Education and Research(K-1 to K21)taking advantage of the lessons learned, systems approach and most importantly , considering the most important interaction(within the rediscovered system and its emerging properties).And only "seed money" is needed!
If the above makes sense, I could elaborate later.
Adolfo

George Mobus

Adolfo,

Did you mean to elaborate on the billionaire??? My next blog will revisit the sapient ecovillage and U of N concept. All I need is time to get it together!

George

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